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Paskutinį kartą taisė P406 (2013-10-30 17:11)

Svilint geriau, testas, clenas + t3 pvz. Ir pigu ir efektyvu.

Augimo, jei nori augt sakau, nuo 8 IU pradek galvot, maziau nelabai yra tolko, nebent traumas apsigydyt.

HRS rašė:

P0werman rašė:

Svilint geriau, testas, clenas + t3 pvz. Ir pigu ir efektyvu.

Augimo, jei nori augt sakau, nuo 8 IU pradek galvot, maziau nelabai yra tolko, nebent traumas apsigydyt.

jo paragaut jei no 8iu,tai reikes bilietus pas ciurkas ziuret,pigiau gausis

Skaudi tiesa tokia biciuli GH palik profams, jie gali sau leisti iki 20 IU kapot, hiperplazija nerealus dalykas, tik GH su combo gali sukelt ja, bet daug tas kainuoja su sterais gali norimus rezultatus laisvai gaut

Jonn rašė:

P0werman rašė:

HRS rašė:

jo paragaut jei no 8iu,tai reikes bilietus pas ciurkas ziuret,pigiau gausis

Skaudi tiesa tokia biciuli GH palik profams, jie gali sau leisti iki 20 IU kapot, hiperplazija nerealus dalykas, tik GH su combo gali sukelt ja, bet daug tas kainuoja su sterais gali norimus rezultatus laisvai gaut

Bet jai steru pastoviai nekaposi tai nekazka ir liks o nuo hgh 90prc lieka

Optimistas utiutiu isliekamumas salyginis dalykas, kas jus isivaizduojat GH per daiktas? Jis MINIMALIAI augina, duok dieve per 6 men priaugsi 1-2kg nuo jo.

Nustok sportuot ir i sikna gali isliekamuma susikist

GH naudoja pagrinde del hiperplazijos, kombinacijoje su Slin ir IGF-1 kad naujas raumenines skaidulas sukurt, poto jas su sterais augina. Svorio nuo GH tiesiogiai priaugt tik minimaliai

Artyi rašė:

Uztai est gali ka nori ir degi

Tam t3 skirtas )

eslife rašė:

P0werman rašė:

Artyi rašė:

Uztai est gali ka nori ir degi

Tam t3 skirtas )

Cia kaip puse dietininku, bijo angliu daugiau nei 100g. pakelt, tai su tuo T3 numes viska ko reikia ir ko nereikia ...

Yra gi variantu, kad sedi ant Test + T3 ir eda bileka vapsie savo malonumui, baltymus tik priziuri. Kaip lean, taip lean

eslife rašė:

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eslife rašė:

Cia kaip puse dietininku, bijo angliu daugiau nei 100g. pakelt, tai su tuo T3 numes viska ko reikia ir ko nereikia ...

Yra gi variantu, kad sedi ant Test + T3 ir eda bileka vapsie savo malonumui, baltymus tik priziuri. Kaip lean, taip lean

Tai yra, bet be angliu su T3 tai ... Visu pirma tuscias busi, visu antra nudros puse to ko nereikia. Prie T3 reikia ir angliu normaliai mesti. Daug veiksmo ir angliu

Tai taip, kas tiesa, tas ne melas Testo ir butinai reik, kitaip bye bye raumenims

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Paskutinį kartą taisė Artyi (2013-12-16 14:54)

P0werman rašė:

GH naudoja pagrinde del hiperplazijos, kombinacijoje su Slin ir IGF-1 kad naujas raumenines skaidulas sukurt, poto jas su sterais augina. Svorio nuo GH tiesiogiai priaugt tik minimaliai

Kazka biski primalei Tai kas pagal tave hyperplazija yra, kad skirstai igf-1 ir dar kombinacijoj su slinu ir atskirai augima?

P0werman rašė:

whatever rašė:

P0werman rašė:

GH naudoja pagrinde del hiperplazijos, kombinacijoje su Slin ir IGF-1 kad naujas raumenines skaidulas sukurt, poto jas su sterais augina. Svorio nuo GH tiesiogiai priaugt tik minimaliai

Kazka biski primalei Tai kas pagal tave hyperplazija yra, kad skirstai igf-1 ir dar kombinacijoj su slinu ir atskirai augima?

Bijau pameluot, ar Slin su GH combo ar GH ir IGF 1 ar visi kartu, kad butent nauju skaidulu augima issaukt.

IGF'as tai duoda. Vienas

Idomus pamastymai

Either a low dose (2-4iu) ED, mostly in the mornings or pre-training, to mobilise fatty acids and to offset catabolism. You will see and feel some sattelite benefits such as improved skin tone, libido and mood, possibly. There should be few if any side effects. You can run this for a month or forever or a period in between; this doesn't require a minimum duration, like the next protocol does IMO.

So, the main alternative use for GH, is the 'permanent physique change', altering the look of your body, towards a more mesomorphic shape, with alterations (for the better) in resting muscle shape, particilarly at the origin and insertions of visible muscle groups. This requires that you inject a ralistic minimum of 5iu ED, or 5-10 iu EOD. Or you can mimic the adolescent GH release from the pituitary by injecting I think a total of about 70iu spread over 7 days out of every 21, on non-consecutive days, injecting i.v. but I don't expect that will appeal to most.

This must be done for a realistic minimum of 5 months or there abouts. Why? Because you are effecting permanent changes and these things do not happen in a short space of time. You are almost trying to 'restart' the anabolic effects of puberty and I'm sure you remeber that puberty wasn't an overnight affair.

OK so the high dose protocol may have some side effects, such as water bloat, gyno (probably due to IGF1 levels), carpal tunnel (mild to severe) reduced insulin sensitivity and possibly a fatty liver as a result. You can also expect to see your internal organs (especially the GIT) hypertrophy, though this is usually temporary.


FYI: According to a friend of mine who is a bright boy and has spent considerable effort and time researching GH (by which I mean proper research, not just reading old BBing Vs GH info), when you inject subQ, 50% goes into the blood, and 50% goes into the lymphatic system. Of the 50% in the lymph, 95% eventually makes it into the blood.

So subQ release is increadibly prolonged release, akin to a continuous i.v. infusion, which is essentially pointless for anything other than low dose 'fatloss' GH cycles.

In other words, dear reader, if you seek any sort of muscular/'mesomorphic'/hyperplasic/permanent effects from your GH, then you are FAR better off injecting it intramuscularly.

Right I'll try again.

The adolescent pituitary releases roughly 60-100 iu in any 21 day period, with 8-15 iu released per day on non-consecutive days.

A 'BBing analogue' would look something like this:

Day 1: 4 x 2iu spread throughout the day.
Day 2: Nothing
Day 3: nothing
Day 4: 5 x 2iu spread
Day 5: Nothing
Day 6: 4 x 2 iu spread
Day 7: Nothing
Day 8: Nothing
Day 9: Nothing
Day 10: 6 x 2iu spread
Day 11: Nothing
Day 12: 5 x 2 iu spread
Day 13: Nothing
Day 14: 4 x 2iu
Day 15: Nothing
Day 16: Nothing
Day 17: 6 x 2 iu spread
Day 18: Nothing
Day 19: Nothing
Day 20: 5 x 2iu spread.
Day 21: nothing.

So this equals 78 iu in 3 weeks. The multiple daily injection protocol mimics the natural release, plus it should prevent the GH/IGF1 from creating insulin resistance, in those prone to it. Since insulin is part of the 'anabolic triangle' of AAS, GH and insulin, then becoming resistant to its effects would be a bad thing, just as it is in natural BBing.

The 2 days 'off' should minimise the edema experienced on GH, particularly in the feet and ankles.

But remember that to be truly effective, you need to be injecting intravenously. I have done it with no problems, but I won't recommend it because I don't want to be held accountable for some numbskull removing himself from the gene pool.

Even i.m. injects of GH won't have the bioavailability or near-instant spike of i.v.

And if you want to inject subQ, don't bother using my protocol. It's not designed for that.

SubQ is only really good for localised fatloss cycles. Personally I have never seen the localised fatloss effects, but instead get a wonderful degree of all-body fat mobilisation and muscle anti-catabolism, but no local fat loss.

To be honest though, I only use subQ shots these days, if I am on a caloried depleted day and need a steady fatty-acid mobilistation effect and anti-catabolic effect. If I'm going to the gym for a carb-depleted, early morning session, whether that be weights or cardio, then it's 2iu shot intramuscularly as my preference.



Just had a nice feedback PM from a friend here in the UK.

He followed my instructions whish were to inject 10iu pre-workout, three days per week.

I told him to inject intramuscularly and he did, bless him.

Anyway, after only a 6 week cycle of this behaviour, he said that he retained a lot more muscle on his back, shoulders and hips than on previous AAS only cycles. His recovery from the steroids was easier too and he was noticably leaner according to his girlfriend.

This got me thinking "Only 6 weeks and he's seeing results more akin to a 5 or 6 month GH cycle?" Now as far as I'm aware (which doesn't make it necessarily so, since I don't 'get out' much) 'everybody' tends to do ther GH subQ, even when following the kind of '10iu EOD or 3 times per week' cycle plan.

Perhaps part of the reason their results take so long to materialise is because the lack of high peak blood levels of GH (remember that via the subQ route, only 50% (5iu) will enter the blood in a relatively speedy manner, whilst the rest is slowly recirculated via the lymph until to dribbles into the blood in slow infusion fashion), is FAR from optimal when it comes to triggering the changes we are looking for.

Just a thought. I would be interested in hearing from anyone who thinks they might be doing a GH run soon and possibly mentoring or just advising them so that we can all learn and hopefully the 'lab rat' can maximise his results.

I would do it myself, but having already experienced the 'meso' effects myself, I don't know whether there is more left in me to change, lol.

BBB

EDIT: Although I recommended 10iu shots to my friend and although he seemed to be relatively side-effect free, I personally do not recommend that any more. It is not 'natural' and may well result in insulin resistance and a fatty liver. So stick with multiple injects. A single 5iou shot would be the max I think I might recommend. Mind you, certain brands of GH (namely the nameless generic Chinese stuff) seem much worse for this than others. Certainly when I injected 10iu of jintropin in one go, I didn't get the negative sides of the bluetops.